Sunday, January 4, 2009


There is nothing more to say. There must be an immediate and unconditional cease fire in Gaza.


nindee said...

They give Gaza 3 hours cease-fire a day to let in the humanitarian aid. Wow...
That means another 21 hours to bombard gaza.
I'm lost for words. Again.

young_activist said...

It is sick, but I think the massacare at the school in Gaza yesterday really turned those who were still supporting the Israelis against them. It got extensive coverage even in the U.S. They won't be able to continue this operation without uncriticial U.S support so it looks like they are going to have to pull back- at least temporarily- or else try to provoke the Palestinians into giving them a pretense for a continued offensive.

Bar Kochba said...

Massacre at a school? You mean the school from which Hamas fired rockets at Israel? The school in which weapons and missiles were hidden? The sick ones are Hamas who use children as human shields in their war against the Jews.

The last time there was a ceasefire, Hamas repeatedly violated it. Why should Israel sign an agreement with a terrorist group that does not even recognize its right to exist? Have you ever read the Hamas Charter? Are you aware that it is committed to genocide?

Israel is insane for allowing food into Gaza. During the Blitz, I doubt that Churchill worried whether the Germans had strudel and bratwurst. Hamas must be dealt a severe blow.

G-d bless the IDF!

young_activist said...

"Israel is insane for allowing food into Gaza"
This is so disgusting, it so outside of the realm of morality and logic that if you cannot see how sickening of a statement this is on your own there is nothing I can say that will persaude you.

On the question of rockets: even Israel has now acknowledged that no rockets were being fired from the school. This blame the victims game is disgusting. It is even more disgusting that it could come from a people who have suffered so much, a people who should better udnerstand what it means to be the victims of militarized racism. You know, Israel published a cockpit video on youtube showing a strike from one of its planes om a truckload of rockets. Exccept the truckload of rockets turned out to be oxygen canisters, and this was supposed to demonstrate the sort of terrorists Israel is figthing in Gaza. This arithmetic you propogate where a dead Jew is worth a hundred dead Palestinians is sick. Someone commented on your blog that there are not two sides to this conflict that suffer, but only one side, the side of humanity is absolutly right. The life of one human being should never be worth less than the life of another. The chauvinistic ideologies that dispute that have been the source of strife since the start of human civlization and that is a tradition that continues today in Gaza.

Hamas is commited to genocide? What is Israel doing in Gaza? Hamas has said that it will never formally recognize Israel. I am not an apoligist for Hamas, however you need to realize that Hamas has said it will accpet a permanent cease fire along the June 1967 border. Fatah has said it will accept peace along the June 1967 border. The PLO has said it will accept peace along the June 1967 border. The PA has said it will accept peace along the June 1967 border. Every year this settlement is proposed in the U.N General Assembly and every year it is supported by every country in the world with the exception of Israel, the U.S, Australlia, and an assortment of coral atolls. I am no pro-one side or the other, but in order this conflict it is important to recognize what the obstacles to peace are. Those obstacles are Israel and the U.S. These are the nations that must change their policies. The Palestinians have already offered to compromise on enough issues. Actually in my view they have offered to compromise on too many issues, but my view on this is irrelevant.

Bar Kochba said...

Here are some highlights of the Hamas charter. You can find the whole thing here

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

And here is my personal favourite. This is where my comment about genocide came from:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Deal with this moderate, peaceful statements and then maybe we'll talk.

nindee said...

Hamas is there right now, because the zionist occupation. The zionist took Palestinian's land and try to kick them away for years. You can't expect Palestinian people to love their occupier.

Speaking of genocide, what about this.
17,500 dead (almost all civilians, most of them children and women) in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon;
the 1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre;
the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base;
the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew;
the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians;
1948 – when the Israeli massacre at Deir Yassin helped to kick-start the flight of Palestinians from that part of Palestine that was to become Israel

but of course we can always argue about those statistics. it's a cyrcle of violence.

and about those jews-hater thingies that u wrote, don't just believe what you read or watch.
We don't believe in that. Also, when reading hadiths... be VERY CAREFUL - as there are fake and authentic hadiths. Also, do take note of Islamic history - behind the hadith itself.

I myself believe in these principles;
Prophet Mohammed said: “ One who hurts a non-Muslim, he hurts me and one who hurts me, hurts God.” (Hadith)

Qur’an says: “God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them.” (60:8)

Qur’an says: “ Do not argue with the people of the Book (Torah & Bible), unless it is in the politest manner.”(29:46)

There are crazy people everywhere, of all races and all beliefs. And in a lot of cases, injustice, poverty, starvation, isolation, and yes, occupation drive people crazy.

I'm not justifying Hamas for killing innocent people. So, please don't justify the zionist's massacre by any means.

Bar Kochba said...

Nindee, Arab violence against Jews began in 1920-21, and then in 1929 with pogroms and continued with 6 wars against the Jewish state. Fatah was founded in 1964, three years before Israel liberated Judea and Samaria! In 1920-21, there was no state of Israel, no "occupation" or "apartheid". Why did the Arabs murder scores of Jews then?

"Occupation" is just another excuse to justify the institutionalized anti-semitism in the Arabs world. Nindee, don't play the fool. Crowds at anti-Israel rallies have been chanting "Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yahoud, jaish Muhammad sawfa yaoud” -- that is, “Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Muhammad will return.” Jihadists use events from Muhammad's life, such as his massacre of a town of Jewish farmers, to justify their actions. I am not connecting Islam with terror- the jihadists are.